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Help needed,Abs+ esun getting soften during 4 hour print to a point that extruding filament fails


SamppaD

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I have a strange issue with one of my printersAs title say filament gets soften and extruder gears slipsMy configuration is as follows
Ender 3 pro modified,direct drive with BMG extruder,mosquito hotend,all linear rails with full BLV kit.Mainboard is BTT SKR mini E3 V2.0 with Marlin 2.1.2.4 Printer is enclosed with exhaust fan always on.  So this issue happens always on a 4 hour print,enclosure temperature is 47C,hotend temp 255C,bed at 110C printing ABSesun.Glass transition temp of this filament is 74CJust opening enclosure doors to cool down enclosure helps resolve issue??.So i decided to do a test print and followed print process until it failed. I had to cool down camber like 15 minutes to open the doors and took a thermal image of the extruder motor...it was sitting at 79C and bmg extruder casings at 69C,so when printing it was way hotter.  I tried many things,decrease current on extruder motor  from 650 to 600,550,500 (multiply by 1.414 to get Ampsand finally 450 at this point loosing steps,but motor temperature got down to a 71,9C. If printer is on and bed only heating then extruder motor temperature gets about  about 49C just from bed heating..

Extruder motor is pancake model that was sold as a 1A motor 17HS4023S-22.5A 

I pull apart extruder,hotend and pancake motor and found that stepper motor had started to develop a bearing issues,so I swapped it with new motor same model,also replaced bmg extruder just in caseand inspected hotend..no issues or clogs with hotendThen i checked specs for this motor but could not find exact model, but for a  17HS4023 its 0.7A?. So issue is that heat is transferring in to filament but ,adding heatsinks,swapping motors and dropping current didn't help. I have no space to add a 24V fan to the stepper motor so what to doLast resort to go back to bowden and relocate extruder outside of enclosure is something that i dont want to do.. Anyone else with the same problem?

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This reminds me of a problem I had with my VzBot extruder. There was an issue between the wiring diagram and the printer.cfg where the diagram Z stepper and extruder were inverted from the stepper motor configs in the printer.cfg. I corrected the pins in the config but forgot to change the motor run current, so my extruder stepper was running extremely hot. So hot in fact that after printing for ~1 hour... the gripper wheels got so hot that it melted the filament and jammed.

In the end, I changed my run current for the extruder motor from 1A to 0.6A and now it runs cool.

I would try dropping the run current to 0.6 or less, maybe 0.5A. The least current you can run without losing steps would be the most effective heat mitigator.

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HiAfter doing some testing came to a partial solutionI dropped extruder motor current to 5000.7Aanything below 0,7A it start to loose stepsisolated motor from the aluminum bracket with insulation tape and improved air circulation in  enclosure by adding a wider air intake to get air moving better in the chamberChamber has still a slight negative pressure,when exhaust fan is on room air is sucked in to enclosure and then out via exhaust pipe to outsideChamber temperature dropped to 41Cextruder to 69C and bmg extruder housing to 59CPrinted some voron panel parts and seems to workI need to make a new enclosure,that has a proper airflow,this ikea enclosure with 120mm exhaust fan is not good for printing abs,even after insulating all panels,my nose can detect abs fumes mostly on heat up and after 20 minutes of cooling down when doors are opened. Need to search for  good enclosure projects available online,something with poly-carbonate glass,some printed parts and good air flow.

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